I am doing a stock restoration of my 1300cc engine. Managed to find a set of NOS 77mm cylinders and pistons. Purchased a new set of Deves rings (No. 1838 STD) for these pistons because they are reported to break-in very quickly. The ring set consists of a top compression ring (#1), a middle compression ring (#2) and a 4-part oil ring that goes in the bottom piston groove. Here's my problem: The Deves generic instructions say that compression ring #2 should be installed with the "scrapper tooth" pointed down. However, the set of #2 rings that I received in the box do not have a scrapper tooth. In fact, the #2 compression rings look just like the #1 compression rings. Once more, neither compression ring is marked with a "top" label as usually encountered for VW rings.
If anyone has installed Deves rings on their 1300cc pistons...Can you remember if your compression rings had such a "scraper tooth"??? I have tried contacting the vendor but they don't seem to know whether my situation is "normal" or whether I received a "faulty" set of rings.
Any information about this situation would be appreciated.
Frank Schieber
Vermillion, SD
Need Help Installing Deves Rings for 1300cc 77mm Pistons
Hi Frank, I think I am the guy you bought the pistons/cylinders from. Were there problems with the rings? I used a set just as yours on a 1300 I built last year and had no issues with the rings that were installed on the VISCA set. I searched Deves Scrapper and this popped up. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewt ... sc&start=0
I wish I had an answer for you about orientation of the ring. The part number for the rings is 111 198 257B. I have a couple sets of NOS rings, ATE and Goetze if you do not want to use the Deves. I have always seen the "Top" engraved on ring to tell the orientation. Casey
I wish I had an answer for you about orientation of the ring. The part number for the rings is 111 198 257B. I have a couple sets of NOS rings, ATE and Goetze if you do not want to use the Deves. I have always seen the "Top" engraved on ring to tell the orientation. Casey
I would use these. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds ... id=1961468
The picture is blurry, but I have same box and it says 1300, made in W. Germany. Price is good too! Good luck.
The picture is blurry, but I have same box and it says 1300, made in W. Germany. Price is good too! Good luck.
This looks like a good deal and I would like to order from him. But - I don't want to be a snake and end up buying the last one that the seller has available.I would use these. https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds ... id=1961468
Moundtop, can you let me know if you decide not to buy from this seller? And if you do, let me know afterward and I will see if he has any left. Thanks.
1300. Thanks for the info re: the VISCA bore kit. I sent those pistons out to be balanced and plan to use them on yet another 1300 stock build later this summer...I believe that I will use the VISCA rings now that I've heard a good report about their performance The Deves rings are for a set of 77mm 1300cc MAHLE pistons that I am using for my current rebuild project.
The VISCA pistons were balanced by RIMCO and the MAHLE pistons by DPR. Both machine shops did a good job on these tiny pistons.
Funny that you should call my attention to the 77mm 1300 GOETZE German rings on TheSamba as I just purchased a set on eBay as a backup for the Deves rings should my question remain unresolved.
h~moto
I just contacted the seller of the GOETZE rings with a plan to purchase two sets. I believe that he will have 3 sets left after his sale to me. Thanks for not poaching.
The VISCA pistons were balanced by RIMCO and the MAHLE pistons by DPR. Both machine shops did a good job on these tiny pistons.
Funny that you should call my attention to the 77mm 1300 GOETZE German rings on TheSamba as I just purchased a set on eBay as a backup for the Deves rings should my question remain unresolved.
h~moto
I just contacted the seller of the GOETZE rings with a plan to purchase two sets. I believe that he will have 3 sets left after his sale to me. Thanks for not poaching.